Tuesday, January 18, 2011

American Government 1/18/11

In Class - Discuss rubric regarding your blog (see 1/14 post).  Turn in Double Entry Web Journal (health care).  K-W-L chart regarding health care (this is due on the day of the discussion).  Hand out health care packet (Discussion Questions: "Sick Around the World" and "Obama's Deal."  Answer these questions while the video progresses.

Homework - Update your blog (I will start grading your blog this week!!!).  QOW Response due by Friday, January 21 by 11:59 pm.

QOW - Read through a series of responses regarding the previous QOW.  As you read through other student comments, I want you to select a few responses and respond to these responses.  In other words, read through your fellow classmates' post, agree with this person, disagree with this person, highlight some interesting points, ask a critical question, share your arguments, respond to their arguments...This is an opportunity for you to critically analyze another response. 

Agree to disagree, however, be sure your statements and arguments are clearly worded and organized, be sure to use civility in your online discussion, and use this as an opportunity to gain perspective in someone else's point of view.  Again, use civility if you disagree.  Remember, attempting to "call someone out" on their way of thinking is not acceptable.  This is an extension of the classroom and civil discourse must be displayed at all times.  If I feel you are attacking someone instead of their arguments, then I will give you a zero (0) for this QOW. 

This response must include a works cited page and is due by 11:59 on Friday, January 21.

53 comments:

MiinaRobledo said...

I agree with Kevin Pacheco we are all monsters at heart even though we don't want to believe it...our ideal person are the jocks. intellectuals aren't recognized like jocks. when in fact they should be more honored than them because they are the ones bringing medicine to your home so you wont get ill, signing your paycheck so you wont go broke, creating more advanced ways to better our community as a whole. but instead we praise the jocks that break legs, arms, and cause concussions. why? because we want to see actions. the good doesn't catch our attention like the negative does. we want to hear drama, tragedies, gunshots, murders,etc... we should be wanting to hear medical insurance has gone down, less homeless people out on the streets, jobs are back to those laid off.

-Karina Rivas

Marilyn Manson Speech about Violence and Blame Pt. 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSM8y7Is1UU

TheStarBabyy said...

Sorry but I really don’t agree with Jenifer Nava. There is NO real hard evidence that this event was a cause of any political issues that were announced. Also these issues shouldn’t be toned down, cause there were always be tragedies and we cant just fold when this happens we need to keep our head high and make sure that we have leaders to get us threw this. It is horrible what happend but like in this video justice will happen and we need to stay strong. Now we are even looking into the healthcare debate once again, which is the thing we should be doing looking forward and not backward.

Allan Baray
Period:1

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/19/house-poised-vote-health-law-repeal


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/19/house-poised-vote-health-law-repeal/

Izrowe said...

I agree with Anthony Rodriguez because it’s true that all this political fighting is pointless and political parties need to stop acting like children. Because of the map Sarah Palin posted up before the shooting, putting a cross heir in the exact location of the Arizona shooting, she has received a lot of criticism for that from both political parties and the media. She later responds to that criticism with a video posted on her “Facebook” account. Later the media, including major news channels such as CNN and MSNBC and even a skit from Saturday Night Live, respond to that response. Then yesterday Sarah Palin does a live conversation, from her home, on Fox News responding to the response that the media gave, from the response Sarah Palin gave, from the criticism she receives. Everyone is just playing the “blame” game at this point to see which party is responsible for influencing the “liberal pothead. It’s like two five year olds blaming each other to see who gets the blame for breaking “mom’s favorite vase”. Also with the Republicans now controlling the house, they’re main plan is to repeal the health care act the Democrats proposed. From this point forward they’re just arguing and reading back and forth on health care. Not only that but before the Republicans took over the house, Democrats tried passing 20 bills before the opposing party took over. The Republicans didn’t even listen to what they had to say because all the Republicans kept doing is a “lame duck”. Even before the start of a new year, in 2010 Republicans still did a “lame duck” so they wouldn’t have to hear on the proposals from the Democrats. The situation between the two parties fighting has gone way to far and its been about two years now that President Barrack Obama has been in his presidency and yet we cant seem to move on from the same place that we were two years ago.

< Hooper K. Molly. “Republicans seek to handcuff Democrats in a lame-duck session with resolution.” The Hill. 08/08/2010. Web. 01/19/2011. http://thehill.com/homenews/house/113217-gop-seek-to-handcuff-dems-in-lame-duck-session >



< “The Daily Show with John Stewart.” 01/18/2011. Online Video Clip. The Daily Show. 01/19/2011. http://www.thedailyshow.com/ >

-Israel Bojorquez

Izrowe said...

forgot a work cited
www.facebook.com/sarahpalin

*Sparkles* said...

I would have to disagree with Anthony Rodriguez where he shares, “These parties need not only to tone it down, but stop it all together. I think that a little bit of political rhetoric is good for politicians. We should be able to stand up to what we believe in and not just fall to our knees in surrender. He does make a good point when he shares that if we keep arguing, we won’t get anywhere in this country. It will just be a constant battle of pointing fingers. Natalya Sierra shares, “I think the political environment needs to be toned down for the sake of civility.” Dr. Pullen in his article also talks about civility. “Maybe fear will be enough to force both sides to tone down the political rhetoric and be civil and actually listen to each other. We need to be civil and learn to compromise with each other to get anywhere in this country like Anthony said. Theresa Jones says it perfectly in my opinion when she says, “I feel that in order to actually stop all the problems going on in America, we should actually act on them, instead of blaming everybody else. In reality, it’s turning everybody against one another. This is where a toned down rhetoric will play a big part. I believe that political rhetoric needs to be toned down, but not completely stopped.

Jamie Tyson, Period 1

Dr. Pullen. “Healthcare and the Madness of Political Rhetoric.” Opposingviews. Opposing Views Inc.
January 19, 2011. January 20, 2011.


Parker, Chase. “Political rhetoric to blame for national polarity.” The Spectator. MTV Networks. January 19, 2011. January 20, 2011.

*Sparkles* said...

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/health-care-and-the-madness-of-political-rhetoric

http://www.su-spectator.com/opinion/political-rhetoric-to-blame-for-national-polarity-1.1903231

It didn't post my URL on my last comment.
Jamie Tyson

JuanMontes said...
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JuanMontes said...

Juan Montes de Oca
Period 4

I agree with Jessica R. she makes a good point on that when a tragedy happens people tend to just blame one another. And that even if we all want the republics and democrats to “tone down” this is not realistic. It is there job and they will always be arguing. So they can get their ideas and thoughts out to the people. We should all just get together and try to help out the families that were involved in this shooting. Instead of trying to take out the health care plan the republics and democrats should get together and think of ideas to try to pretend another tragedy like this happen again. Like all the shooting that been happing in the schools the pass days. These could have been if they both got together and thought of new repercussion to take. Overall I think people should just get together and start thinking all new ideas to prevent tragedies like these from ever happing and just for once to unite and make an unstoppable team.

"Gardena High School Shooting | Daily Postal." Daily Postal Online. Web. 20 Jan. 2011. .

BJ said...

I agree with Ryan Starke. He said “I believe that the Democratic Party and Republican Party will forever continue to disagree on everything.” And they need to focus on more Important stuff like migration, according Ryan’s response he said “Also the children of these illegal aliens that are put in to the schooling system have cost schools about 7.7 million dollars a year.” Which I think is true. That is a lot of money we could of use those money to something else like for books or computers and some other important stuff we need in education.

http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/illegal-immigration.html

A.Rodriguez9266 said...

I would have to respectfully disagree with Kevin Pacheco's comment of "The media had everything to do with the shooting of Arizona but they had help, and who are these individuals that helped? Who is to blame? Simply look into a mirror, for with out us the media is nothing, they are the parasite and we are the host, without a host the parasite is nothing." The media was partially to blame, but i wouldn't put all the blame on it. This was clearly a disturbed individual that has a history of mental illness and insanity. you cant just point your fingers in hopes of calming ones own nerves. oh how nice it would be if that were true. people need to take responsibility for their actions. To say we need stricter gun control because of this deranged individual is like blaming a car for a drunk driver, or blaming a pencil for misspelled words. Or for a better example blaming the rhetoric of the news media for this mans unspeakable acts of violence.

-Anthony Rodriguez

Marilyn Manson Speech about Violence and Blame Pt. 1

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/19/

MjH(: said...

After reading a couple of responses, Israel Bojorquez's post caught my attention. I have to agree with him when he says that he believes the tension between both partys should be removed for good. Although. . .we know that it will most likely never happen, being that it's been like this for years. I also agree that if the Democrats and Republicans would just listen to each other and tone down all the tension, they will agree more on things, and/or at least come to a compromise. Political rhetoric doesn't get much nastier when speaking upon Health care. According to ABC news the words that were said in one of the house of Democrat during the repealing of health care law seemed a bit inappropriate and perhaps gone too far. Both Partys have different ways of thinking, negotiating and different values. SO yeah they will always have their differences but they should definitely resolve with tranquility to achieve productiveness.

-Mj Hernandez

Karl, Jonathan. "Say What? Democrat Compares Republicans to Nazis." 19 Jan. 2011. Web. 20 Jan. 2011. .

MjH(: said...

After reading a couple of responses, Israel Bojorquez post caught my attention. I have to agree with him when he says that he believes the tension between both partys should be removed for good. Although. . .we know that it will most likely never happen, being that it's been like this for years. I also agree that if the Democrats and Republicans would just listen to each other and tone down all the tension, they will agree more on things, and/or at least come to a compromise. Political rhetoric doesn't get much nastier when speaking upon Health care. According to ABC news the words that were said in one of the house of Democrat during the repealing of health care law. Both Partys have different ways of thinking, negotiating and different values. SO yeah they will always have their differences but they should definitely resolve with tranquility to achieve productiveness.

-Mj Hernandez

Karl, Jonathan. "Say What? Democrat Compares Republicans to Nazis." 19 Jan. 2011. Web. 20 Jan. 2011. .

Juan Gamez said...

I agree with Danny alvarez, on a few points. Immigration has been a very controversial topic in the United States of America and ESPECIALLY in Arizona. What a coincidence that people were shot/ wounded and killed in that same state. Now, im not trying to link the info, but its rather intresting. The motives for this man to do such a terrible thing, remains unknown. It certainly has gotten many people on high alert. Danny also stated that the Health Care should not be toned down and i agree. I believe ( and no offense to anyone) but the health care topic is starting to rise as the number one important topic, and the arizona shottings are starting to wear off. Health care is very important in this country and all over the world, no surpise if its the number one talked about issue. The health care law ever since it was passed has done numerous amount of good in america, it has helped children who have pre-existing medical conditions like cancer, asthma or autism. Around 5,000 people have benefited from employed based programs. Its a very heated topic for discussion and any tweaks to the plan or change, perhaps repeal will be a very controversial and talked about topic. Only time will tell how this will play out.


Sorian,Richard."Myths vs. Facts: Repeal Would Be Bad for Americans’ Health." Healthcare.gov. US Department for Health and Human Services,7 January 2011. 20 January 2011.

Syqlizard said...

I completely agree with Juan Gamez with the media. The media makes these types of events a big deal compared to what it actually is. The shooting was just a small delay to them, and then political rhetoric came into play among the Arizona Shooter, Loughner. A person such as him, could not be influenced from whatever the Democrats and Republicans were debating. I disagree with the idea that the politcal parties use the media as their medium of choice to play the blame game. They are most likely caught at the mercy of media with it's unnecessary display for entertainment. The media showed the shooter, Lougher, as a deranged gunman, a person with psychological problems. He was a "bad seed". From that, it evolved to an idea that he was influenced from politcal rhetoric. And lastly, I agree that there are little or no signs of Democrats and Republicans stopping.

-Erik Ramirez

"Arizona Shootings Political Rhetoric: Did Political Rhetoric Play a Role in the Arizona Shootings?" OrlandoSentinel.com. 20 Jan. 2011. Web. 20 Jan. 2011.

"Health Care and the Madness of Political Rhetoric." Opposing Views.com. 19 Jan. 2011. Web. 20 Jan. 2011.

K.Pacheco_10 said...

@Louie Lin

I agree, when the shootings at Columbine happened, fingers where pointed to anything. One of the main targets was Marilyn Manson, they said that his music drove these two kids to want to shoot the people at the school.

I've always wondered why is it when a kid does something society likes to point fingers at easy targets? Such as music, video games, peers, and TV, yet when an adult does something nobody seems to really care. If you watch the news, they are hardly talking about the guy that shot Congresswomen Gibbins they are talking about Sarah Palin. All the attention is drawn to her, as a way to move away and to show that no one really cares.

-Kevin Pacheo

1st Period

♥Grittilz♥ said...

I agree with Kevin Pacheco we all have the capability to be monster and maybe even be monsters at heart. We can do bad all by our self and have the ability to shock the world with our actions. This hasn’t been the first time that a tragedy like this has happened, and even though we have had signs that warn use of the dangers that some can represent we choose to ignore them. Even though it is in our human nature, and we choose to see blood and fights and we like to see others suffer without any regrets. This has to stop because we not only hurt ourselves in a way but we can or have hurt others. The best example of our blood thirst is showed in the roman times as well as in the Aztec era, because they sacrificed people to the goods, the Romans on the other hand, feed them people to the lions or had vicious fights to the point of death. Why can’t we just acknowledge the good and cherish it instead of ignoring it even the news itself is packed with misfortune and only a few times do we talk about heroes in the news or of those who do good in the community. Why can’t we make our lives easier by thinking positive making acts of kindness and not greed? As Gondi said “An act of Kindness is better than a thousand heads bowed in prayer.” If someone had paid attention to that misguided man and to all the signs that we were given maybe we could have saved a lot of lives.

Grettel Aguilar
period 1

Mahatma Gandhi quotes. Thinkexits.com. Web. January 20, 2011

K.Pacheco_10 said...

@ A.Rodriguez9266

I disagree with you, the media has everything to do with it, your philosophy did not just "poof" out of no where it had to have benn influenced by something. The general area where people derive their wisdom is either through music, books and/or TV, and the people that make the music that you get influenced by is derived from the media. For example, the "hippies" did not just "poof," they where created by the oxymoron of what was known as the Vietnam War, and the way the veterans where treated after serving previous wars and the draft.

So you see when the war broke out the Media was on the side of the war, the where humble supporters, but when our troops started dieing at unheard of numbers people started to think that this war was just not worth it.

So what happened?

Well people where influenced by journalist, radio, and TV, for the first time in some cases, and the era of "Peace and Love" was born. John Lennon came out with a song called "Give Peace a Chance" in 1969. This song was made at the pinnacle of the Vietnam war and it influenced the Anti-War "Machine" to keep going, to keep protesting and to keep "loving." Later that year "Woodstock" known as the "the most famous event in rock history"-Rolling Stone, sparked a message that 500,000 people could co-exist for 3days through rain, food shortages and lack of creature comforts. The innovative concert film "Woodstock" ,directed by Michael Wadleigh, was later released in 1970, to spread the message and influence people of "Peace and Harmony." Oh, wait, everyone that watched this was influenced by a "journalist," ex. the directer of the film, and the music, and in some cases TV, that aired the concert, in other words the MEDIA influenced. You cannot escape the grasp that is the media, believing this is naive.

And having mental issues has nothing to do with your influences, it does, however, determine your decisions which are then tied with the influences all around you, which is then the media.

-Kevin Pacheco
1st Period

http://folkmusic.about.com/od/toptens/tp/Top10Protest.htm

http://www.woodstock.com/1969-festival/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3h7G1TNLRg&feature=fvst

Ryan Starke said...

I agree with Cecily when she says that the political rhetoric between the two parties should not be toned down. She says that instead we need to focus on the more important issues such as immigration, healthcare, and the economy. This is true, these issues are far to important to stop talking about because a couple people died. People die everyday, and if issues like this were stopped every time anyone died then they would never be solved. She also states that,” Republicans and Democrats should be more open- minded and try to see through one another’s viewpoints so they can make compromises on these issues”. I would have to say that I do not agree with this at all. These are two completely different parties with completely different views. They will always disagree and that’s politics. They need to learn to agree to disagree and solve these issues. Cecily also states that,” Even is they don’t come up with a perfect solution for immigration and health care they should come up with some kind of solution to at least stop these issues from getting worse”. I definitely agree with this statement. I believe that everyone wants the issues to be fixed, solved and just to be over with. I know the shooting makes people want to pause from everything, but that just cant happen.

Stewart,Jon. “Arizona Shootings Reaction.” 13 January 2011. Foxnews.com.

"After the Arizona Shooting". The Christian Science Monitor.
Monitors Editorial Board. 12 jan. 2011.

kr10 said...

After reading a few of these post, it was interesting looking at what Karina Rivas had to say about people waiting till' last minute to do something after a tragedy has happened. I agree with her because it's true, people think it's all fun and games but when a tragedy happens, they react. It shouldn't be that way. The government should be on top of things and not waiting for something to happen. All the government does is, take people's money, cause damage, and always fighting. People should be worried about what is going on and react. Trying to get employed, getting people up on their feet and changing things that aren't going good. Why should we do this? because it helps out you and your family and makes it better for the future.

Kevin Real

Associated Press "Government auditor: AIG stronger thanks to aid," January 20, 2011
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/20/government-auditor-aig-stronger-thanks-aid/

JeSsIcA* R said...

There were many good responses but the one that caught my attention the most was the response that belonged to Juan Montes.The reason that it caught my attention was because at first I didn't really agree with him. But the more I thought about it the more I realized I did agree with what he was saying. Especially when he said that the issues should't be toned down because they concern the U.S. There are many issues that havn't even been given a solution.And Juan brought up a good point with the issue of immigration and the Dream Act. It was supposed to be a solution or a step forward to fix the immigration issue and instead nothing was fixed.And one thing he said that stuck to me was when he said that if we'just unite we really would be an unstoppable nation.Something so obviouse to us is unseen by so many others.And I hope somebody realizes that the fighting has got to stop and do something about it.


"What is the Dream Act". College Media Network.19 Oct. 2010
umassmedia.com 21 Jan. 2011

Danny said...

i agree ryan starke when he said that the democratic party and the republican party will always argue on everything.I agree that u.s. is spending millions of dollares on these immigrants weather its helping them or trying to keep them out of this counrty.By spending money on border patrol and all that stuff. I disagree that he says that just alot of money is wasted on these immagrants, Most immagrants come to this country to work and the children of these immagrants are good in school some go to college some dont thats how it is with everyone.

-Danny Alvarez

https://google.com

Arevik Martirosyan said...

I agree with Ryan Starke when he said, "I believe that the Democratic Party and Republican Party will forever continue to disagree on everything."  I agree with Theresa Jones when she said that "we should act to resolve these issues that are taking place in America, instead of pointing fingers to see who is at fault." When tragedy strikes, people automatically need to find a scapegoat. However, I respectfully disagree with the articles that claim that the political rhetoric on major issues such as immigration and healthcare should not be toned down. I think the Arizona shooting was a wake up call because the media played a major role in it, although there was no justification for it. I think it's time America cleaned up their act and get back to respectful debate. Nothing is getting resolved when our political leaders are making crude comments to each other. Furthermore, I think we should take into account of what happened with the Arizona shooting and be careful about the words in which we choose to argue.

Arevik Martirosyan
Period: 2

"House Republicans Vote to Overturn ObamaCare in Symbolic Move - FoxNews.com." FoxNews.com - Breaking News | Latest News | Current News. Web. 21 Jan. 2011. .

jenny said...

I agree with Andrea Villariho having to say that the political parties arguing instead of getting issues done. Even though they might have different opinions of making this world a better a place they never agree on something good for our government. Andrea has a very good point about how the parties should collide together and actually work on some thing helpful that this sate really needs. This is why we are falling behind in so much on our community because they cannot decide on what good or bad. Yeah, its true that we the people are the ones who decide on whom should govern us at time like this. But we need a better future and they should stop blaming themselves and wasting the time we need. Instead maybe this world could accomplish so much if we just get along and focus towards our future.





Jenifer Nava

Period 4

jenny said...

"Arizona enacts funeral protest legislation," CNN Wire Staff. CNN.com. January 12, 2011.

Jessica said...

I agree with Jamies tyson's post she has point that that everyone ones does have a sence of rong and rght. It seems that the promblem with the parties that the only time they can stop fighting is a a tradgedy. They dident even stop really they went at eachother and tryed to blame who ever they could for the miss happing. I also looked at Jaun Montes and i dont agree that the issuse should not be towned down. I think they should it causes a lot of promblems in policits and no one seems to care that everyone points fingers at everyone else. If they dont tone it down even just the slighest bit it could casuse its own tradagedy .

MarkieMark said...

After reading through a few of last weeks responses, I agree with what Jamie Tyson wrote. She basically stated how there is nothing wrong with standing up for what we believe in, but we must do it while exhibiting self-control. We are all human and it is in our nature to argue, it is inevitable. Everybody has different values, belifs, and opinions and the only way to discuss these fragile areas are with cooler heads. "Obama called the shooting 'an unspeakable tragedy' for 'Arizona and for our entire nation'. He called Giffords 'a friend of mine' who was also 'an extraordinary public servant'." I love this quote because it gently reminds us all that we are all Americans that are on the same side. It makes no sense to fight each other. Obama and Giffords are both from two major rival political parties but we must keep in mind that regardless if you are a democrat or a republican, you are both American.

"Six Killed, Congresswoman Wounded in Mass Shooting in Arizona; 22-Year-Old Suspect Arrested, Charged; Other Developments." Facts On File World News Digest: n. pag. World News Digest. Facts On File News Services, 13 Jan. 2011. Web. 21 Jan. 2011.

-Mark Arnold
Period4

bdelfino3 said...

"plntmars1916" made a clever point. My answer to the Question was that Political Rhetoric should be toned down but "plntmars1916" saw another view by saying that political rhetoric should not be toned down because if it does than problems such as health care and immigration will never be solved. But I still don’t agree with this statement because so far nothing has been toned down, and so far nothing has been solved, so in my opinion this country should try something new. I really like the quote that Arevik Martirosyan used by Sheriff Clarence Dupnik “We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry.” (Referring to the state of Arizona). This tragic event may have not been cause by political rhetoric but it has certainly brought this issues to the spot light, and some good points are being brought to the table. It shouldn’t take a tragedy to bring America together is what "plntmars1916" said, but unfortunately it is the only thing that does bring awareness and a second chance to make a change.
By: Brenda Delfino Per1

"Sheriff Clarence Dupnik: Arizona 'Mecca For Prejudice & Bigotry'" The Huffington Post. 21 Jan. 2011. Web. .

theresa.jones said...

I agree with Andrea Villarinho when she states that “Our political parties have many differences but when they are working towards the same goal… it shows us that they can work together and get things accomplished quickly and efficiently.” This is absolutely true. If, instead of arguing, the two parties put aside their differences and worked together a lot more would get done. I do not agree with the comments that were made about how political rhetoric caused the Arizona shootings, not in Andrea’s post, but in many others’. There is no fact stating that the political rhetoric caused the shootings. The man who did it is obviously a troubled soul, and to blame political rhetoric on what happened is preposterous. I personally think that people no longer know who to blame, so they think of anything that might possibly make sense. Columbine is a great example of this. “Last month, The American Medical Association flirted with adding video game addiction to its list of mental illnesses” I do not understand why people can’t just understand that sometimes there is just nothing left to blame. Did anyone ever think that maybe the people who commit crimes like this are mentally ill and there is nothing else to blame? Well, obviously not most people.

Nizza, Mike. "Tying Columbine to Video Games." The New York Times. July 5, 2007.

NRoseS said...

I totally agree with Theresa Jones. Rhetorics should be toned down but not because of this crazed maniac, but for America. Also Theresa says, "I feel that in order to actually stop all the problems going on in America, we should actually act on them, instead of blaming everybody else". I feel the same way and will go as far as to say that it should be common sense for them to do just that. She also mentions some of the things that Jon Stewart says. Briefly, he said that that we live in a "complex ecosystem of influences and motivations" but to say the Political rhetoric is the cause is not proven and wrong but it sure would be nice because to identify the problem would make things easier but it's not that simple. Theresa also adds, "..in my opinion, I think it is absurd to blame someone killing six people and wounding many others on heated arguments". It does sound absurd. He wasn't the only one in America exposed to these heated arguments yet he's the only one who went out and killed 6 people and wounded 14 others. On the other hand, I don't agree with Anthony Rodriguez who says, "These parties need not only to tone it down, but to stop it all together". I think we need some rhetoric in the political environment but as I said before, a civil one.

-Natalya Sierra


Stewart, Jon. "Arizona Shootings Reaction." 11 Jan. 2011. ComedyCentral.com.

Tommy To said...

I agree with Erik Ramirez, that the media is the one that needs to be toned down. Controversial issues such as health care and immigration should never be toned down. Even though it was a tragic event, both democrats and republican aren’t going to stop arguing. Erik brought out a good point that Loughner, before the shooting happened was that he wasn’t a stable person to begin with. I also read a article that says he was high off of marijuana. Prior to loughner, Erik also made a good point about how the shooting was his own intention of seeking attention. The only defense of the shooter was that he is mentally ill but I figure that to be absolutely false. Like he said before, the media is the one that should tone it down and stop pointing fingers. Immigration and healthcare are issues that need much attention. Grant it, this event was devastating, but this isn’t going to change anything for the political parties and how they carry on with issues such as medical care. The media is the one that needs to tone it down and stop making it drastically longer than it has to be.

Tommy To
Period: 4

"Joseph A. Califano Jr.: Marijuana's Role in the Arizona Shooting." Breaking News and Opinion on The Huffington Post. Web. 21 Jan. 2011.

chovy50 said...

I agree with Juan Montes because i feel that we need to keep it going strong. if we tone it down it makes one side or the other soft and possibly more submissive. the dream act could have done great good for others who are illegal to have a better life. I believed that the 2 years of service was truely good a price to pay to become a citizen. others might feel this unjust but it is a price to come here illegally in the first place. these subjects call for very strong feeling people who are willing to defend their views no matter the cost. So long as their not radicals that has mental issues that would harm another its needed. Conflict is the only way to come to a proper conclusion to anything.


Anthony Newman p.1 jan 21st, 8:10 pm.

Vvsince93' said...

After reading through some of the responses, Margarita Perez' response caught my attention. I totally agree on what she had to say on how political rhetoric between the Democrats and Republicans should not be toned down.She backed up her point of view by regarding how the U.S has been battling over enormous amount of issues and should concentrate on agreeing on reforming issues such as health care, national debt, immmigration etc. She also stated that tragedies occur all the time and a tragedy like this should not tone down the rhetoric on reforming things. I agree with this , my personal question is that if tragedies occur more often and if Democrats and Republicans tone down their rhetoric over America's issues then will Democrat and Republicans hault on trying to find better ways over helping our society? If they're unable to, I believe our problems in our nation will just get even worse.
-Vivi Rivas P.4

152-pounder said...

I agree with Allan Baray's response to last weeks question of the week. I believe Allan makes a valid point when he discussed the issue of the Tuscan, Arizona shooting and other political issues. The point that i recieved from his response was that we need to look past this horrific event and focus on the issues at hand. He also states that we cannot control tradegies and we should come together and solve these issues. I agree with Allen because alot of his thoughts were the same as mine and i can see where he is coming from.

Bryan Hales period 1


Stewart,jon,"Arizona Shootings Reaction"10jan.2011.online videoclip,comedycentral

friend said...

I've read through some pretty well thought out responses,but out of all the responses i've read, Alan B's response kept me interested. I agree that the Arizona issue is important,but our political leaders should focus on other issues. As of right now, they aren't doing what they're suppose to do. I don't understand how this one tragic incident can get a new ban passed in Arizona in just a week! This really shows how our legislation isn't getting a lot done.If they can all get together and agree on this bill, why can't they agree on anything else? As Alan stated,"Instead of throwing our issues under the bus we should be joining together and not making each other enemies." That's the only way our country is going to move forward.

-Kierra Shelby

Rau, Alia Beard. "Arizona Shootings: 'Funeral Protection Zone' Bill Signed by Brewer." Arizona Local News - Phoenix Arizona News - Phoenix Breaking News - Azcentral.com. Web. 21 Jan. 2011.

I Blog for School said...

I agree with Anthony Rodriguez because the politicions shouldn't be fighting each other but trying to actually get something done. If the shooting makes them stop bickering, then they should feel ashamed and unworthy to run this country because if where fighting ouselfs how will we accomplish anything. If our government cant even pick out what we are going to do with our own people and laws, how will we survive if something huge happens.

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Cecily said...

I agree with Melissa Espinoza, because she says that the Democratic and Republican parties shouldn't have to tone it down just because a tragedy happened. These issues are important and have to be brought up until something is done to improve or solve these problems. She also says that there will be more things that happen and I agree with this, because you will never be able to make everyone happy. Doing things to make a certain group of people happy might make another group of people mad. She also says that instead of focusing on the tragic events that happen, both parties should be focusing their attention on the more important issues such as: immigration, health care, and the economic crisis. I also agree with this, because if they can solve these problems our economy would be a much better place to live and people would be less likely to lose their sanity and commit violent acts like shootings. I also agree with Melissa when she said that we will see how civil the Republicans and Democrats will be by showing us that they aren't just accusing each other for things that occur, but instead work together to find a solution. I agree, because I also think it's a waste of time to try to find someone to blame everything on just to make themselves feel better. Instead they should be trying to fix the problem to prevent more tragic things from happening for the same reason.-Cecily Lorica
"House Republicans Tee Up Health Care Debate After Pausing for Tucson Victims." FoxNews.com. 21 January 2011.

Jennifer D. said...

I would have to agree with the points made by Natalya Sierra when she says that “We should have some rhetoric in the political environment but a CIVIL one”. Another one would be by Theresa Jones about “instead of arguing, both political parties should put aside their differences and work together to get a lot more done..”. Also by Juan Gamez when he mentions that “Health care should not be tones down because it has helped those with pre-existing medical conditions”. They have brought up really good reasons for me to agree with them and it all makes sense because there are more important issues out there but the people don’t need to hear about violence or disrespectful arguments between both parties right now. There has to be a level of respect and use of some civility when it comes to other peoples’ points of view on certain issues.

-Jennifer Duque
Period 2

Gibson, Jake. “Republicans plot course for Obamacare Replacement.” 21 January 2011. Foxnews.com

mordeth17 said...

Margarita Perez has valid points that I agree and disagree with. The one thing that I do agree upon is, "Some people don’t really have enough money to pay to be insured it makes it hard for them. The health care plan makes it easier for people because it will be more affordable...". This pretty much explains my view on the Health Care reform. Since Health Care is pretty expensive in the U.S., the vast majority of the population is currently not being covered. As the results from the Census show, currently the number of uninsured citizens is in the MILLIONS! Personally, I believe that it should be universal, and not just available to the privileged few that are capable of affording it. "I think that instead of them fighting they should both work together as team and I think we would get better results from them and get reforms and laws done quicker." This is the only thing that I can disagree on. It's far too difficult to change the way a person thinks. Until everyone thinks the same way, the fighting between the political parties will never stop.

Census Bureau: Number of Americans without health insurance rises to 46.3 million

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Thursday, September 10th 2009, 11:25 AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/personal_finance/2009/09/10/2009-09-10_number_of_americans_without_health_insurance_rises_to_463m.html

-Jose Valdovinos P1

Everentity said...

I couldn't agree more with Claudia (Vivi) Rivas’s comment. She brings up what is really I personally think the issue is. And that’s putting aside differences between the parties and settled what is essentially at hand right now in America. Here’s what she said ‘Without addressing of what is truly important on what’s happening in the world around us, nothing would be changed, all our mistakes would just be repeated and nothing would be solved. Politicians should act now, subside their differences, and focus on a plan to solve the issues on immigration, health care, and the economy ,since this has been an issue for quite a while.’ Also, when she starts talking about the national debt ‘I understand that the government is trying to come up with solutions to cure our issues, but most of their percentage has been about arguing since each individual enacted in the government has different prospective on certain issues.’ It coincides with political rhetoric taking its toll on the American people not knowing what is really going on. Because of this I think that government can’t function on what’s at hand.

Azalea Armixo period 4

Kelly Belton. “A call for more mature political rhetoric” The Tech Talk Online. MTV News Network. Friday, January 21, 2011. Web. Friday, January 21, 2011

Louie said...

Although many Americans are uncomfortable with the discord between political parties, we must be reminded that it is this disagreement that constitutes America. As Ryan Starke mentioned, political parties will always disagree and I believe it should remain this way. Anthony Rodriguez's statement that "These parties need not only to tone it down, but to stop it all together," may have been too idealistic, people should merely tone down the political rhetoric, not eradicate it. Realistically, people will never be able to agree entirely and we must learn to embrace this. If any one person has an idea, it takes others to find its flaws and these ideas circulate until the populous can reach an appropriate concensus. This defines a democracy, which, as opposed to a totalitarian society, grants freedom and individuality. The tragedy in Tucson, Arizona should be mourned, but to say citizens should abandon politics entirely will result unfavorably. However, the sad truth is, as Zac Flores put it, "history shows that this probably isn't likely to happen."

-Louis Lin
Period 4

Ryan Starke, "Re: American Government 1/10/11." Palo-tics (aka the Go Getter). Blogger. Web. 21 January 2011.

A.Rodriguez9266, "Re: American Government 1/10/11." Palo-tics (aka the Go Getter). Blogger. Web. 21 January 2011.

ZacFlores, "Re: American Government 1/10/11." Palo-tics (aka the Go Getter). Blogger. Web. 21 January 2011.

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nader said...

I agree with Kevin Pacheco in everything he said about what is taking place in the world without people realizing the actual cause of such tragedies. Tone is not really anymore the case if people just don’t get too influenced by what they hear from both parties and then adding violence to one of their habits. Taking this issue from a different perspective I find that your opinion concerning the issues that are leading people into confusion is worth to be taken into consideration. Life is a school by itself, whatever we experience in one day should be a lesson for the following days. When people just use the easiest way out of conflicts by giving up for the right than what should be expected other than the wrong overlapping our society and causing all that sorrow. Instead, hard times should be the perfect opportunity where we ought to prove and persevere on improving the conditions. We should all understand that whatever is edged in our hearts from issues that took place in the past shouldn’t let us apart from always expecting nothing other than the truth. I don’t see why people contradict with others upon opinions since everyone looks at the world with a different perception instead of using other more civilized ways to express feelings. The society consists of people’s opinions and different thoughts which can all be useful once people share it with each other in a social way. Media as Kevin said is also one of the causes that we people are also blamed for over analyzing the things that we hear making it look worse. The media now a day is one of the most important methods that is used for people to have the chance in being able to know what is going on around us. People are always complicating matters making the good and bad things look as an abnormal thing, but nothing really is extraordinary about it. To help prevent more problems we should take a look at own selves before blaming others, try to know the wrongs form the rights and then help others on taking the right path in life.

Phil,B."The Predicted Economy of the United States of America". Phil for Humanity. Web. 21 January 2011.

Nader majzoub, Period 1

kauluwehi93 said...

First Response;
I agree with what Karina Rivas said. Immigration has been around for a very long time, matter fact even before we were even born. Nothing has ever changed and the republicans and democrats are indeed NOT doing anything about it.
I also agree with what she says about the Reps and Demos ever getting along. These two parties have been going at it for ages and nothing is going to stop them from disagreeing with one another. Blaming each other is not right, i mean it was not the Reps and the Demo's fault for the whole tragedy that happened in Arizona. It was all brought up on the man who decided to do it.
Although their feuds may NEVER stop, they should indeed all PAUSE and re-think everything. Speaking over each other is not going to do anybody good.

Second Response;
I agree with Jennifer Duque, "The Democrats and The Republicans will keep on going after this tragedy because the health care reform, immigration issues, and the economy still need to be discussed patiently and be analyzed very carefully." What she said is very true indeed. Just because something like this has happened, the parties are NOT going to stop feuding with each other. It will go on and on, and basically no body's point will be pointed across. As for the Immigration, Health Care and the Economy situation, these parties have more intentions of TRYING to figure out a solution, which hopefully in the future they will FIND ONE. Like Jennifer said, these people need to be discussing these issues nicely, and should analyze everything carefully.

Takaua Tupou, Period 1

andreavillarinho said...

Throughout all of these responses, I agree with MarkieMark about agreeing with Jamie Tyson. I personally believe that things get done more efficiently when people are able to calm down and listen to each others opinions. I like how Mark wrote “Everybody has different values, belifs, and opinions and the only way to discuss these fragile areas are with cooler heads.” I also agree with Ryan Starke when he says “People die everyday, and if issues like this were stopped every time anyone died then they would never be solved,” but I disagree with him disagreeing about ”Republicans and Democrats should be more open- minded and try to see through one another’s viewpoints so they can make compromises on these issues”. Keeping an open mind is what helps us see from another person’s point of view. One person cannot be right all of the time. Sometimes we need a different view to see the whole picture.

Andrea Villarinho
Period 2

Mark “MarkieMark”http://www.blogger.com/profile/08377822669306789628. 21 January, 2011

Starke, Ryan “Ryan Starke”http://www.blogger.com/profile/17262257023476458995. 21 January, 2011

N.DeAndrade said...

I have to agree with Juan Montes. "I don’t think those issues should be toned down because those issues are important to the future of the United States of America and maybe even the future of America." Allowing tragic events to tone down important issues would cause havoc. Immigration, an ongoing issue, has been an ISSUE. Immigration has repeatedly been postponed or vetoed.

i disagree with Bryan Hales. Why would you tone down important issues that will affect us in the long run, immigration and health care? This would allow gaps to appear and nothing being completed. Since the Arizona shooting, there has been many other shooting occurring in schools. Would you stop finding a good health care plan because of this event. I WON'T ! Things need to be done and toning down political rhetoric is not the answer.




-Nathifa DeAndrade p. 2

< “The Daily Show with John Stewart.” 01/18/2011. Online Video Clip. The Daily Show. 01/19/2011. http://www.thedailyshow.com/ >

andreanatalie said...

@k.pacheco_10

I agree with Kevin Pacheco, the accord between the "media" and "society" is all but mundane, we lack the passion to look into ourselves anymore. We seek out shelter from our ambiguous mind and the thing that seems to influence use the most, the thing that surrounds us, TV and music. These things are just catalyst to help us understand the real picture of what is really going on in the word, but the need for "ratings" on TV has blinded the media's true goal of what it is not anymore, and that is to inform the general public about the world outside their homes. Now the bigotry between republicans and democrats has but escalated, and it has almost nothing to do with democracy, it has to do with whom posted what about whom on "Facebook," Sarah Palin is a great example of this.

The media likes to grasp on what little it can and blow it out of proportion to entice disputes to air on their show to get ratings. They seem to not understand that in this process they will eventually hurt someone or offend someone provoking them to take matters into their own hands, and making such events like the "Arizona Shootings" be an example of what a simple TV show can do to a persons mentality and decisions making.

So all in all, please turn it down.

-Andrea Natalie
1st Period

ERICKR24 said...

I agree with Gabriela I never see the two parties really go anywhere with their aguments. Instead of trying to figure out and solve problems, they try to win one another and that does us the people no good. So when Gabriela said where is the government protecting and serving us, i can’t say I know that answer 100% because the only thing they do is run this country from going beserk . Like the Obama health care law should have been passed long time before he was president , because we as Americans should have the right for free health care. If the government really did protect us .why is that the republicans are trying to repeal the law? We spend so much money on the war of drugs , war on Iraq , but we can’t spend it on our own people who are less fortunate. Other counties who have free health care really aren’t having many problems with it. Many could keep the prices low and still make a profit, so when the republican’s say it won’t work for us I have a trouble believing that , that the U.S. the so called greatest nation can’t manage free health care sounds pretty hard to believe.

-Erick Rosales
period 4

http://www.bvblackspin.com/2011/01/19/republicans-vote-to-repeal-president-obamas-healthcare-law/

Republicans Vote to Repeal President Obama's Health Care Law

Jarel said...

As I was scrolling down through the list of comments from last week’s QoW, there were a couple that I agreed and disagreed with. Theresa Jones said, “Maybe if the Democrats and Republicans stopped arguing for a little while, and actually, I don’t know, worked together to solve some of the many issues going on in America, the country would be a lot better off.” The Democrats and the Republicans must, indeed, quit their quarreling and take immediate action on the most important issues such as healthcare, illegal immigration, and the economy. Any act of revile will simply proliferate malicious rhetoric in the media, appeal many eyes of the viewers, and bring ratings up. Rather than playing the “Blame Game,” the Democrats and the Republicans should debate and compromise on these issues with self-control at their side. In the absence of self-control over our tongues and thoughts, no sensible conclusion could be brought up. On to Erik Ramirez’s comment, he said, “The shooting must have been his own intention of seeking attention…” While that may be true, I strongly think that it was Loughner’s unstable, ill mind that led him to do such a horrifying, irrational act. He probably didn’t know what he was doing. There was an article that I read a few days ago regarding the final hours before the tragedy happened. “He collected the film several hours later, shortly before 2:30 a.m. The New York Times reported it contained ‘multiple photos’ of the 22-year-old college dropout posing with a Glock 9 mm pistol next to his naked buttocks and dressed in a bright red G-string.” Clearly, there’s something wrong with his mind, and I’m sure no one would even imagine a guy wearing a G-string. If you go to YouTube and search up the video “shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner new video about Pima Community College,” you can see that most of the things he says are of equivocation. A lot of the YouTubers who watched this video even considered him insane. Although we can’t make clear of his ambiguity, this shouldn’t prompt us to ignore the things he has to say. Who knows? Probably under all that cryptic ambiguity is a meaningful message we all must hear.

- Jarel Lim, Per. 4

Gaynor, Tim, and Brad Poole. "Photos Add Bizarre Twist to Tucson Suspect's Frantic Last Night - Yahoo! News." The Top News Headlines on Current Events from Yahoo! News. 14 Jan. 2011. Web. 22 Jan. 2011. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110114/us_nm/us_shooting_investigation

Jones, Theresa. Web log comment. Palo-tics (aka the Go Getter). 12 Jan. 2011. Web. 21 Jan. 2011. https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2621554286907004541&postID=2902972539701711670

Ramirez, Erik. Web log comment. Palo-tics (aka the Go Getter). 12 Jan. 2011. Web. 21 Jan. 2011. https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2621554286907004541&postID=2902972539701711670

"YouTube - Shooting Suspect Jared Lee Loughner New Video about Pima Community College." YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. 14 Jan. 2011. Web. 22 Jan. 2011. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFT_l8rKJj8

Cole Canup said...

I dont see my comment on here, i clearly remember posting a comment on here but i guess its not, I agree with Theresa Jones' comment about how our political leaders seem to bicker too much and don't do enough things to fix our problems. I feel that there are people who do try to get things to change but people have different opinions and it makes it so that we cant get anything done. We need more people in office that want to make America a better place for all, not argue about whos doing what. Why waste time on something that only gets you and other people mad?

-Cole Canup

Desjardins, Lisa "American sauce; getting specific on heated political speech" cnn.com 7th January, 2011

ZacFlores said...

I am responding to Erik Ramirez’s response. I really liked how you said the media is the thing that should be toned down. I think that the media is a huge factor on why things aren’t getting done in Government. It doesn’t help that everyone is poking their noses into problems that the government should be solving. I think if we take a step back and look, we will see that as Erik said, the media is what needs to be toned down. There is so much debate in just the media alone; they all fight too, it’s not just democrats and republicans. If we could tone down media we might just be able to keep Government running smoothly because there won’t be so much interference going on with the public. I agree that issues such as health care shouldn’t be toned down, but instead the arguing should be the thing that is toned down.

Suresh Kulkarni. "Will rhetoric tone down?" Standard Examiner. Standard. 23 January 2011. Web. 23 January 2011

T-Rev said...

I agree with Andrea Villarinho when she states that “Our political parties have many differences but when they are working towards the same goal… it shows us that they can work together and get things accomplished quickly and efficiently.” This is absolutely true. If, instead of arguing, the two parties put aside their differences and worked together a lot more would get done. I do not agree with the comments that were made about how political rhetoric caused the Arizona shootings, not in Andrea’s post, but in many others’. There is no fact stating that the political rhetoric caused the shootings. The man who did it is obviously a troubled soul, and to blame political rhetoric on what happened is preposterous. I personally think that people no longer know who to blame, so they think of anything that might possibly make sense. Columbine is a great example of this. “Last month, The American Medical Association flirted with adding video game addiction to its list of mental illnesses” I do not understand why people can’t just understand that sometimes there is just nothing left to blame. Did anyone ever think that maybe the people who commit crimes like this are mentally ill and there is nothing else to blame? Well, obviously not most people.

Nizza, Mike. "Tying Columbine to Video Games." The New York Times. July 5, 2007.

Cheyanne said...

this is not late:

I agree with what Juan Montes posted. I do not think that the Political Rhetoric needs to be toned down. I too recognize that the tragedy in Arizona was devistating to thousands of people. But I do not blame the political rhetoric, because these are things that are going to happen and you should expect arguments and ralleys to take place when two teams of people disagree. It happens everywhere. There are more important issues that we could be focusing on, and we shouldn't even be discussing this. They are arguing about why they are arguing. Real Mature, Washington.

http://www.bvblackspin.com/2011/01/19/republicans-vote-to-repeal-president-obamas-healthcare-law/