tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post9049483058077357040..comments2023-06-03T04:50:04.775-07:00Comments on Palo-tics (aka the Go Getter): American Government 8/31/09palohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16176558122656011569noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-17713757566770833192009-09-05T12:02:53.620-07:002009-09-05T12:02:53.620-07:00Yes i do think they should use a little torture an...Yes i do think they should use a little torture and not alot. because if you dont use it your not going to get alot out of them and just let them go, then they are just going to harm more innocent people and the governemnt is ging to have more problems than anything but when you do torture them then you get more answers out of them or information that you need. but also when you try getting information out of them it may not be true. and just tortureing them may not be the absolute solution.Guda1992https://www.blogger.com/profile/14958723345470236320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-71923361082576407822009-09-04T23:12:29.758-07:002009-09-04T23:12:29.758-07:00i don't thik te U.S. should use torture at any...i don't thik te U.S. should use torture at any time. i disagree 100% with torture how do you now if the person who is being torture its going to say the truth, the most ovious thing is that they're going to say whatever they want just to stop suffering i think the U.S. should use other techniques to get information without hurting any people torture is just cruel, all people deserve to be treated right also how do you know if the person you're torturing is guilty? what if that person is innocent. i'm really against tourturig <br /><br />Leslie Bedoy<br />Period 4lesliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07032520743511705635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-47533301662189272652009-09-04T22:20:33.855-07:002009-09-04T22:20:33.855-07:00This is hard for me because i dont like violence b...This is hard for me because i dont like violence but aside from that i think that it all depends on what the situation is. For example, if its a poor civilian who just happens to be in the wrong place at he wrong time,no it should not be permited. Now if it was a terrorist who the United States has been looking for, then of course a little torture deserves him right. It is hard for me to say but as hard as it is i have to say the truth, in some situations torture it permited. Now the torture that Guantanamo bay and camp x are performing is not the torture i was thinking of. They perform torutre to an extreme that i think not even a terrorist should go through. There is a fine line between torturing somebody and just violating them as humans. All humans are the same good or bad. So yes torture should be permited but to a certain extent.<br /><br />Estefania Torresestefania_torres2010https://www.blogger.com/profile/07240014410058474722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-27349048726178898312009-09-04T22:07:58.537-07:002009-09-04T22:07:58.537-07:00uhhh..this is hard especially since im a person wi...uhhh..this is hard especially since im a person with a big heart and i dont like seening people get hurt blah blah blah. There is some resons why torture would not be approved and theres other sittuations were maybe a form of torture should be played. In my opinion it all depends on the situation. If the man is just some good for nothing criminal and the U.S. "thinks" hes a terrorist, thats were i think torture should not be done. Now lets say the guy is some bad guy, that the US has been looking for, yes a certain form of torture should be used if he dosent. Also in the videos we were watching in class on thursday and frieday it explained some forms of torture that the United States performs with there prisoners. Some of the torture techniques were so not necessary. Some were so cruel even for prisoners to be put through that kind of torture. So my final opinion would be yes but a more lower level of torture. Like 10 more times lower!<br />Estefania Torresestefania_torres2010https://www.blogger.com/profile/07240014410058474722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-88914504811242619842009-09-04T22:00:56.635-07:002009-09-04T22:00:56.635-07:00The United States should not use torture as a tech...The United States should not use torture as a technique to retrieve information from terrorists! There is no exact prove that torture has led to a prevention towards a terrorist attack. As the article says "most successful interrogation of an Al-Qaeda operative by U.S. officials required no sleep deprivation, no slapping or "walling" and no water boarding". Which this leads to the question what is intellectual about torture and violence? It’s basically a "psycho-path" tactic, that shouldn't be used on people, or even have created a duty about it. Torture is abusing the universal rights of a human being. In this case, it blackens the American status in this world; because “supposedly”, the United States is “democratic” and is one of the G-8 countries. As senator McCain reported that his friend was a victim in torture through water-boarding during the Vietnam War; it is more evident that the United States shouldn’t be repeating the same methods as previous countries did! The CIA agency has completely lost control, wherefore instead of using technology or justified interrogation techniques; they are aggressively creating false assumptions towards many innocent people in Iraq. This current situation is very similar to the “submarine” torture in Cuba, which erupted throughout Augusto Pinochet's 17-year-long dictatorship. “Submarino became a popular tool for military interrogators, in part because it left relatively few permanent physical marks.” This is exactly what the CIA claims! That the torture techniques being used in the prison are “safe and sound”. However, the group of psychologist later claim that submarine has a long-term psychological effect, throughout a fear of “control”. In this case, it’s strongly considered a form of torture! The United States should realize the destructive impact their causing, and figure out a more “intelligent” way of retrieving the “correct” information. It also clearly states in one of the articles that “There has been little heard since about the "Second Wave Attacks," so without more documents declassified, it can be assumed that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (terrorist suspect) made it up to stop the waterboarding.” There is no necessity in having a prison full of people, being attacked in the most indigenous way. Humans should be treated like humans.RaygozaPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11247060868060268768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-29706815936964897232009-09-04T21:54:53.203-07:002009-09-04T21:54:53.203-07:00i honestly think that torture should be used. it h...i honestly think that torture should be used. it has been on and used for years and years before.the united staes should be doing torture why? because it could acually save many lives as we know it. torturing is pretty much the only way we can get information out of a person. that person could most likely be a terrorist that has been capured and now we need to know what there next move would be. if we wouldnt torture and get that information out many inncocent people could die. and i also think they deserved it they know there beeing bad guys so suffer the cosequenses.Brett G.p4https://www.blogger.com/profile/13018603955913694418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-58422721652039545322009-09-04T21:36:05.882-07:002009-09-04T21:36:05.882-07:00i think that torture should be used as a last reso...i think that torture should be used as a last resource to get information out of an individual. the reasons why are, first we don't know if the person is a terrorist. second if the guy is a terrorist we don't know if he is giving us the truth just to get out of pain. thirdly the psychological torment given will have a long term affect. there will always be that "what if" factor. there is an article on how torture was not used on Bin Ladens closest body guard and only through mere respect to the individual all the information that was need was given with out a fight or torture. the first method that should be used in interrogation should be patience and respect. to look at these terrorist as just another human being. because once we lose that and anger and pain are used, we get blinded and lose the control. now if the terrorist our criminal abuses of our courtesy then the next option is torture. but first implement patience and respect then if it does not work, torture.Aaron Beltranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693917030535758074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-54907958036992008192009-09-04T21:18:17.598-07:002009-09-04T21:18:17.598-07:00i think that torture should be used but their shou...i think that torture should be used but their should be a limit on what you can do to the person.but i also think that it shouldn't be used because there are people that do not follow the rules on what you can do to the people that are being interrogated.but it also helps us to get info from them because they dont care about their own life and are willing to die and kill a lot of innocent people.so i think that torturing to the interrogated should be allowed but there should be a limit . it helps to save a lot of innocent people. and idont think that they should not have any rights when they want to die in order to kill people and attack the u.smis@3lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765005175733565771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-71017584676941637012009-09-04T21:17:16.215-07:002009-09-04T21:17:16.215-07:00i think that torture should be used but their shou...i think that torture should be used but their should be a limit on what you can do to the person.but i also think that it shouldn't be used because there are people that do not follow the rules on what you can do to the people that are being interrogated.but it also helps us to get info from them because they dont care about their own life and are willing to die and kill a lot of innocent people.so i think that torturing to the interrogated should be allowed but there should be a limit . it helps to save a lot of innocent people. and idont think that they should not have any rights when they want to die in order to kill people and attack the u.smis@3lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765005175733565771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-80582840962153565032009-09-04T21:16:07.349-07:002009-09-04T21:16:07.349-07:00i think that torture should be used but their shou...i think that torture should be used but their should be a limit on what you can do to the person.but i also think that it shouldn't be used because there are people that do not follow the rules on what you can do to the people that are being interrogated.but it also helps us to get info from them because they dont care about their own life and are willing to die and kill a lot of innocent people.so i think that torturing to the interrogated should be allowed but there should be a limit . it helps to save a lot of innocent people. and idont think that they should not have any rights when they want to die in order to kill people and attack the u.smis@3lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765005175733565771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-69490820106357491432009-09-04T21:15:50.711-07:002009-09-04T21:15:50.711-07:00I don't think the U.S. should use torture or o...I don't think the U.S. should use torture or other techniques to get information about terrorist. In my opinion every person should be treated with respect. They should interrogate people but in a human way. Guantanamo Bay should be used in a good way and not to torture people. Even though others countries used a torture way to get information about terrorist, the U.S. should be more powerful by getting information about terrorist by using humans ways of thinking. People who think torture is a good way to get information about terrorist are wrong because it's a human way to get information. I totally disagree with torture. In my own point of view, I think that people who are being torture have the strength to think clearly of what they asking for. I think that the only thing they can think about is the form they are being torture. There are a lot more form to get information about terrorist than torture people.Berenice Nava per-4https://www.blogger.com/profile/04812672004952936462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-7319095206763764742009-09-04T21:15:41.692-07:002009-09-04T21:15:41.692-07:00i think that torture should be used but their shou...i think that torture should be used but their should be a limit on what you can do to the person.but i also think that it shouldn't be used because there are people that do not follow the rules on what you can do to the people that are being interrogated.but it also helps us to get info from them because they dont care about their own life and are willing to die and kill a lot of innocent people.so i think that torturing to the interrogated should be allowed but there should be a limit . it helps to save a lot of innocent people. and idont think that they should not have any rights when they want to die in order to kill people and attack the u.smis@3lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765005175733565771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-32821500542169577972009-09-04T20:03:57.886-07:002009-09-04T20:03:57.886-07:00Torture isnt the best way to deal with interrogati...Torture isnt the best way to deal with interrogations. i believe it should be used to an extent. There are other ways to get information out of the terrorists. Think, what would make you give up information?<br />Perhaps some kind of bribe. People would give up information just to get out of the prisons. Seriously damaging their bodies and minds to get out information that may not even be valid information is not the way to handle it. Threats should be used more then physical torture. We have tried the torture technique for years and it obviously hasnt helped. Its time to try a new technique.J.Krafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17607908884092486805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-39074855343636739972009-09-04T19:19:32.218-07:002009-09-04T19:19:32.218-07:00Should the United States use torture or other &quo...Should the United States use torture or other "alternative interrogation techniques" in order to receive information from terrorist suspects? i so disagree with using torture that is so wrong in so many ways. i believe that god made us all equal and my saying that we should respect each an ever one.its scary to know that your own country is doing that to get back at iraq. some people say that toeture helps? in what way? thats my question half the people that do get torture are normal people like you and me. there a saying " treat people how you wanted to be treated" and its truth you wont wanna be totured for something you didnt do or something you dont know.but what cant you do? you cant change how the are dumass gov. works its just wrong. however i do think terroist should be treated in a different way because they did want to hurt are country look what happened on sept. 11. so i changed my mind i disagree and agree with the ? of the week.elyana_partida_#55https://www.blogger.com/profile/17200801165984300615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-79666458903957874132009-09-04T19:01:59.445-07:002009-09-04T19:01:59.445-07:00No, I do not think that people should use torture ...No, I do not think that people should use torture as a form of interrogation,let alone the U.S. Just because they are prisoners of war doesn't mean they're not human beings. I find this very disturbing to find out how our citizens are treating other people in the world while trying to "achive peace". Its not fair that someone can get pulled out of their homes and be taken to a camp to be "interrogated". Just because their not true prisoners doesn't mean they could be stripped from human rights. In america we are all innocent until proven guilty, how come that can't apply to them. You dont see people who are getting interrogated on t.v. get slaped around, having harmful things said to them, or striking fear in people just to get them to talk. Has it ever occoured that the prisoners really don't have any information to give them. I think that the people we call our soilders forgot what we really belived in as a nation, which is no abuse. SO why when we get to another country we dont call home, it's okay. IT'S NOT.shesunlatylikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11961951522365573350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-19508176412238827452009-09-04T17:14:52.851-07:002009-09-04T17:14:52.851-07:00I am 50/50 I think they should use torture but at ...I am 50/50 I think they should use torture but at a certain extent. I agree it’s wrong and cruel, but so is killing 500. These people are terrorists not your best friend. I also agree that some are innocent and should not be tortured because that sucks. This is a country of innocent until proven guilty. Then again if they were seen full on killing someone or suspected of knowing something they have the right to use torture to get that information they think they need. I think this because what if we let them go... they kill 500 more people then its there fault. Once there captured and seen murdering they should be marked with a red tag and they are in that prison for life. Also if they murdered and are suspected of knowing something a red and blue tag or someway of identification. Then if they are unsure they should have a yellow tag. The ones that are yellow tagged should be questioned with out torture if suspected kept in prison with out torture. If they are unsuspected of wrong doing and probably are innocent to be let go but to know where they are. They should be traced somehow for the first week. I believe if they were seen killing and are suspected of knowing something, using torture is acceptable. I believe the quote "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth"n8doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00668680233880896791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-23034318977762017232009-09-04T17:11:44.963-07:002009-09-04T17:11:44.963-07:00The United States should be able to use torture fo...The United States should be able to use torture for two reasons. Reason number one being that we need information. Information that will not only help us on the battlefield but that could also save the lives of American civilians. I don't care how we get the information as long as we get it. And if they won't give any credible information then just shoot them, one of them will talk eventually and it would be saving American lives anyway. My second reason is that they are treating our POWs worse than we are treating theirs anyway. We should not be limited to just "baby-ing" the terrorists that we catch while they pick our POWs off one-by-one. These men are not worth the rights of the Geneva Convention. Hell, they shouldn't have any rights. They have committed acts of terror and are below our respect. Just let our interrogaters torture the little girls!TheDeucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09932079248416679435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-73044799320492876822009-09-04T16:10:04.262-07:002009-09-04T16:10:04.262-07:00Overall i have very mixed feelings about this issu...Overall i have very mixed feelings about this issue. I don not believe that torture is ever okay and i don't think it should be used. I mean its harmful cruel and a sick thing to do to another human being. However i will acknowledge the fact that it has helped in obtaining important information that has saved lives or could save lives. Many would find torture cruel if done to an innocent person but if they're a suspected terrorist they think its okay. But what people need to acknowledge is that some of the prisoners of war really don't have the information we need and were simply soldiers fighting for their country, that's no different than what our troops do every day. I believe there are other way for one to get information without resorting to such medieval methods. Torture is wrong and it doesn't only harm the people enduring but think of the people inflicting the torture you can't say that they do that day in and day out and aren't affected. Torture is a horrible method in finding information and i don't ever think i could ever view it as an okay thing to do even to horrible terrorists.aubriannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06933132603524472295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-89998407189342048702009-09-04T15:38:24.651-07:002009-09-04T15:38:24.651-07:00Yes, I believe that the United States should use t...Yes, I believe that the United States should use torture to recieve information from potential terrorist in only extreme situations. To me, the life of the enemy is not as important as the life of Americans. I believe if the life of one needs to be risked to save the lives of many it is worth it. Torture is a necessary method to help the United States recieve information, although i am for torture i believe it should only be used in certain circumstances. I dont think an innocent bystander should be interregated under false pretenses. We should atleast have some proof that the person that will be interregated may have some information, we should not "pull random people off the street" and hope they have something to tell us. Therefore, I am for torture, i believe it could potentially save lives of many under certain circumstances.autumnnnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03634979058715341280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-65023801254751994232009-09-04T15:28:22.594-07:002009-09-04T15:28:22.594-07:00I think it's necessary to torture foriegn or d...I think it's necessary to torture foriegn or domestic criminals in order to get useful information. For foriegn criminals it is even more so because the majority of them are already fully willing to die for their cause. By useing torture it breaks that willingness to die. Also if criminals know that nothing extreme will happen to them, then what would prevent them from continueing their cause or to tell us(meaning the person who captured them) what we want to know. And the same could also be said for domestic criminals as wellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-11242672688022701732009-09-04T08:22:40.658-07:002009-09-04T08:22:40.658-07:00yes, i know terrorists do bad things or have cause...yes, i know terrorists do bad things or have caused cruelty. but who is there to say that they can just torture who ever they want??? they certainly cant. there is no reason to do that. no matter how they torture one another but they cant. not if its mentaly, not if its phisically, not if its pschycologicaly!!! they shouldnt cause harm to ANY human being no matter what they have done!!!!!!!!mariellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10266670688730009672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-72168594887771441242009-09-03T23:26:56.815-07:002009-09-03T23:26:56.815-07:00I am totally for torture being committed on suspec...I am totally for torture being committed on suspected terrorists. Why should we risk any amount of Americans lives over a scum of the earth terrorist. They obviously wouldn't have gotten themselves into the situation if they weren’t affiliated with the threats to our nation. If we aren’t as brutal on someone then what will make them take us serious and prevent them from hurting our citizens? Just like any criminal in the United States, going to jail isn’t even a big deal any more so people aren’t afraid to go back. How can you let someone slide by that wants to hurt all of the innocent people in our home country. The terrorists are the evil ones who sometimes need a taste of their own medicine. They are the inhumane ones, just look at the waterboarding techniques used by the C.I.A to torture the suspects. In doing so terrorist attacks were prevented. If we wouldn’t have done anything then there could have been another tragedy like 9/11. Why should we treat someone right with the intention of murdering every American they can? The videos in class tried making America look bad for torturing people but the only reason it has been done is to protect our nation.Adrian2010https://www.blogger.com/profile/18246703883323893369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-35747225676466964862009-09-03T22:02:42.646-07:002009-09-03T22:02:42.646-07:00Response:
Torture is a heavily debated topic as w...Response:<br /><br />Torture is a heavily debated topic as we see here. I beleive that it is ok for the US to torture Terrorists/Possible Bombers or anyone they deem a threat to National Security. If we would have interrogated suspects pre 9/11 which the anniversary is coming up soon, maybe we wouldn't have lost some of the bravest men and women alive. Or the Fathers, Daughters, Mothers and Sons that were so abruptly taken that Spetember morning. I have no problem in my conscience to "obtain" inofrmation by any means possible, especially if its means the lives of the people around me or like me. <br /><br />Some people are oblivious to the fact that only the United States tortures people. Wrong. The best xample I can think of is October 3rd through 5th of 1993 in Mogadishu, Somalia. Operation Gothic Serpent (BLack Hawk DOwn) to me shows what the enemy is like. Uh-60 Helicopters crashed and the pilots,and crew cheifs of the helicopters were dragged out of their airship, beaten, stripped of clothing and chopped up. Does the U.S really compare to their torture techniques? The U.S if anything treats the enemie prisoners with some respect. <br /><br />Camp X-Ray, as seen in the video today is a high stress prison. It is made to break down the prisoner to want to give information. The video we watched made it seem like the U.S just want to hurt and beat the prisoners, WRONG. They are trying to prevent another tragic event from happening. <br /><br />I can go on for days about this topic and you will see that on the debate day. <br /><br />Disclaimer: If anyone doesnt agree with what I said, try watching doumentaries on WW2- Vietnam POW viedos. Then watch Black Hawk Down, or pull me aside anytime in class and we can discuss it.<br /><br />Schroder 2socalnickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11392086169130979165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-28713091135321093632009-09-03T21:35:02.947-07:002009-09-03T21:35:02.947-07:00Torture has been used to retrieve information in A...Torture has been used to retrieve information in America for many years. Although it may seem wrong to treat humankind in a hostile way, terrorism is something that should be unacceptable. If it takes to torture one life to save thousands even millions then the ideal cost is worth it. The idea of people not using any power or method to save others lives should be allowed. However thanks to the Geneva conventions and the rules made to protect mankind against these methods, America has its limits. Though the Geneva conventions did have their point, even some acts of torture go over the line. One example would be the popularity of water boarding used on interrogation. The torture of creating the illusion of drowning while beating the victim shows the true ugly side of the truth on how desperate people want answers. But who can blame them? Fear is a strong root on booth sides of torture and possible why its frowned upon. Until America can feel safe I stand for torture used but with certain lines not to cross.<br /><br />-Anthony “ Legendary air guitarist” YbarraAnthony_Zombhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03166224288607914989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621554286907004541.post-36796864686218116302009-09-03T19:48:19.896-07:002009-09-03T19:48:19.896-07:00I dont think having to use torture is a good way!!...I dont think having to use torture is a good way!!! i think they should use alternative way!! because using torture would just bring us down to their levels!! and so many terrorists are use to being torture because thats what they believe in, but using alternative would be a better way because some terrorists might give information or might not.but using torture is not a good way to go.<br /><br />Desire brown<br />per.4crowntown23https://www.blogger.com/profile/09900225858633003157noreply@blogger.com